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Nov 27
2007
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A few years back I was attending a Greek Orthodox parish. At coffee hour one Sunday, I asked a recently Chrismated couple how their Thanksgiving had been the week before.
"It was good," the husband said, "But it was hard eating vegetarian when my family was having turkey."
I laughed, because I'd just spent Thanksgiving at the home of an Orthodox priest with a big, fat turkey in the deep fryer.
They asked me why I was laughing, so I explained to them that Orthodox Christians in the Greek Archdiocese get Thanksgiving off every year from the Advent Fast.
"But," the wife spluttered, "It was on the calendar! We even checked the Website!"
Nothing underscores the disconnect between Orthodoxy and American culture quite like Thanksgiving. As this story illustrates, the liturgical calendars printed by Orthodox jurisdictions in the United States color Thanksgiving as a fasting day.
Yet, the idea of fasting on the national Feast Day of the United States is simply unimaginable. So we don't. Except for recent converts or catechumens who don't know any better than to take the liturgical calendar at face value.
We are, after all, Americans and Thanksgiving is an integral part of our national heritage.
So almost all of us Orthodox Christians ignore the calendar and cook up a major helping of turkey and ham with all the trimmings. In fact, at least in the jurisdictions I've been associated with, we're given official sanction to ignore the calendar on that day. Ironically, the hierarchs telling us to ignore the calendar are, in fact, the same people in charge of its printing and distribution in the first place.
But, what message are we sending when we do this?
Is the fourth Thursday of November a fasting day, or not? If it is in Orthodox tradition, but not in American Orthodox tradition - then why shade the day at all?
In the business world, this is called mixed messaging. You are telling two different stories at once, and the result is confusion of your identity in the marketplace.
Our mixed message on Thanksgiving makes Orthodoxy in the U.S. seem provisional, as if we haven't quite worked out what it means to be Orthodox and American at the same time.
The fact that this disconnect is so visible makes things problematic for evangelism. I've been asked about this situation before by those considering the Orthodox faith, and there is no real answer to give them. The Orthodox Church in the United States just sort of makes an exception to the Orthodox fasting rule. But if the same exception is made every single year, why keep coding the day on the calendar as a fast day?
Americans don't like this kind of ambiguity. Americans like certainty. The situation with Thanksgiving is the sort of thing that drives us nuts.
That uncertainty makes us feel like we should be doing something to clear up the situation. For example, are we supposed to be lobbying to change the date of Thanksgiving so that it does not interfere with the Christmas Fast?
I'm being serious here. Many of us who try to spread the Orthodox message, both online and offline, are at least partially motivated by the vision of an Orthodox America - an America in which the Orthodox Church is the dominant religious influence. If Thanksgiving in its current slot on the calendar is unacceptable, then should part of our long-term goal as Orthodox proponents in the United States be to change the date of Thanksgiving?
Or, given the unique cultural heritage of this nation, is Thanksgiving in late November acceptable, even though it falls within the Christmas Fast? After all, various proclamations have fixed days of Thanksgiving in late November since the 17th Century. That may be yesterday to the mind of the Orthodox Church, but for a nation as young as America this is the closest thing we have to an ancient tradition.
Does this really matter? There are much bigger problems in the world than whether or not our turkey on Thanksgiving is Orthodox. But, things which cloud our message to the American public are harmful to the spread of Orthodoxy. The fact that Orthodoxy is officially confused or ambigious in its relationship to America's national feast day certainly doesn't help us win any converts to the true faith.
This Thanksgiving problem is really a symptom of a larger concern. Orthodoxy needs to get its arms around American culture and sort the wheat from the chaff. That which is good and noble should be Chrismated and preserved, just as was done with countless other cultures in times past. That which is irredeemable should be replaced with that which is holy. The result will be a distinct American Orthodoxy which will take its place globally alongside the Orthodox cultures of other nations.
Many things going under the rubric of American culture aren't worthy of preservation, of course, but is our national day of prayer and thanksgiving one of them?
Glen Chancy is CIO for corfun.com and publisher of Orthodox Biz. You can contact him here .

written by Angel Athena Tzouras Brock, December 11, 2007
My Godparents had a restaurant where ham was the predominant item on the menu. I remember going to their home on Thanksgiving and my Godfather would say there was turkey, but also a little ham on the side as that is where the turkey came from! LOL
written by Bob, December 17, 2007
written by Gregory, December 17, 2007
written by Dianne Tzouras, December 20, 2007
written by Ted Bosen, January 18, 2008
Fasting is between you and God, not a social phenomenon, and itsw only purpose is to till the soil for the planting of seed. It is useless in and of itself without prayer and almsgiving.
Thanksgiving, meanwhile, is all about prayer and almsgiving. Nothing shows one's "thanks" to God more than giving to and feeding others.
When Christ performed healing miracles on the Sabbath, the Sadducees condemned him for not following the law. He set them, and us, straight by pointing out that Our Father in Heaven does not turn away His love on the Sabbath and that the law is not an end in itself, but a means to that end. Therefore, we Orthodox Christians are called upon to imitate Christ and demonstrate that rigid adherance to "the law of fasting," which would lead us in America to ignore communal prayer and almsgiving at Thaksgiving time, would blind us to those ends for which the means of fasting is intended.
The same justification holds true for when one's name day falls on the fast. For that person, and those who celebrate him, that is a Feast Day! That has been the tradition in my Orthodox family and community through the generations. It, therefore, must be the teaching of the Church as well. We, therefore, do eat Turkey on Thanksgiving with the blessing of our parish priest. We share food and plenty, along with prayer and alms, with those we love and with those who are in need. It feels very Orthodox to do so. Then in the following days, we try to get back to our fast. It is then for our Father in heaven to be the judge of our hearts in this regard.



















Our Orthodox calendars should reflect this tradition by noting the day as fast-free.